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The Wardens are why you almost never see an Origins cast anywhere.

I would play from Origins if I found somewhere that banned malleable protagonists.

op of thread here, and yeah, that's why I don't play anyone from it. I want to think that there's a good warden somewhere, but still, they're a glorified fandom oc to me

which is a shame because I find the origins cast more interesting than 2's

every time I get the urge to play my warden I bop myself in the head and tell myself to just make an OC

Genuine question in three parts:

1) What is it about Warden characters that puts you off, specifically? Is it because, as an above anon put it, they are "glorified OCs"?

2) What would you want to see in a good Warden character, if someone were to app one? For example, a Warden that followed one of the three Profiles presented in Dragon Age 2.

3) Do you have the same issues with Hawke?

1.) For me it has almost universally been Warden players themselves with very rare exceptions. They treat the characters like self-inserts, treat fellow castmates like their own personal fun dispensers there to fawn on their Warden and give them the kind of CR they want, and powergame like nobody's business. Yeah, we get it. In DA the Warden is a badass. That doesn't mean outside that setting anything they can do is going to stack up against all other badasses from all other canons. It also doesn't mean that their companions are their own personal fashion accessories or that the players of those companions are as enamored of their versions of their Wardens as they are.

2.) Primarily, I'd want to see a player with the maturity and emotional intelligence to understand that their version of a playthrough is not the definitive version of a playthrough. That other characters are going to have their own agendas just like their players do. From an IC perspective, I'd want to see narrative consistency. It's not narratively likely that a Warden who was besties with Morrigan will also be besties with Leliana. Just because you can game the system by picking and choosing who goes on what quests to manage approval, don't act like that's realistic outside the game mechanic context. Own that Warden choices had consequences. Don't be a sue/stu who was all things to all people, and don't play them like all of the really heavy, nasty things they went through during the game were really nbd because they're just that big of a badass.

3.) With some Hawkes yes. You often run across that same entitlement mentality about the companions and expectations of their players. I've played with more thoughtful and mindful Hawke players than Wardens, and I think it's because Hawke at least has enough of a firm personality set within the three broad personality types that it's harder to self-insert. I've always found non-default named and iconed Hawkes to have more of the Warden-sue/stu syndrome than those who stick to Garrett/Marian.

All of that is my personal experience and observation in playing in this fandom from Origins through 2. YMMV.

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