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actually we don't know when the books happened. i also thought they were supposed to be old as fuck, but then someone mentioned a famous person (i can't remember who right now - davinci i think?) that made me doubt it.

and sandy and pitch also know each other from the beginning of times in the ruftoon comics. but that aside, i'm confused by your

otherwise you might have to improvise/bullshit on what dreamsand/nightmare sand is

why? dreamsand was sandy's power and pitch corrupted to make blacksand. what's messy about that? (not wanting to argue, just curious and needing clarification! maybe i missed something)

it's no problem, anon! i got out my book to make sure i wasn't talking out of my ass, here's what i have.

long story short, pitch catches up to sandy who after several years has been steering emily jane's star/meteor around the cosmos and sends them plummeting into earth. the dreamsand itself is the dissolved star that sandy slept on for a ridiculously long time and every grain of it contains one of the good dreams he had during his slumber. pitch can corrupt the sand because the star was inhabited by his daughter and her indomitable spirit (through typhan's teachings) transferred into it (like an echo of how driven pitch is, emily jane's wilfulness was always encouraged by kozmotis) so it ties back and forth: pitch as the nightmare king states he never forgot his daughter, that the star's effect on him is profoundly disturbing and he's been chasing it as a direct result of its pull. i don't have a problem with people who want to play movie and book canon as separate things and can roll with that, but it makes no sense to me how they justify the huge deal of what happened to the sand in the movie, unless they handwave it as ~random spirit magic, which feels enormously lazy. like ??? why wouldn't you just use the canon explanation already there?

it's not as if combining the origins and the movie hurts anyone if everybody in a cast has read the books, and bunny's reference in the movie of 'I told you never to speak about that' when north teases him in front of jack, 'you should have seen bunny!' is meant to play on how stiff-lipped the pooka once was. tooth's fairies can feel her emotions because she changed into them to escape her attackers and the ability never left her. the elves are north's reformed bandits from santoff claussen. all these little things! pitch has them too, and his corruption of the sand is a big factor that isn't easily ignored if you want to keep continuity with castmates, especially sandy where the creation of the movie!nightmares is concerned.

that's what i've got, i hope it helps explains my standpoint a little better. o7

how they justify the huge deal of what happened to the sand in the movie
something that they thought it was good became a weapon, that's definitely something to be make a deal of. the how is explained too: take a dream, add fear, final result: nightmare. kids stop being afraid, blacksand goes back to being dream sand, sandy returns. i really don't see the problem here. they explained it pretty well instead of handwaving it with "a wizard did it".

it's not as if combining the origins and the movie hurts anyone
oh, i didn't want to imply that! i don't do it, but to each their own. that's why i clarified i didn't want to argue the issue, just wanted to have a discussion about their powers.

i know there are things unexplained in the movie that make reference to the books - they were made at the same time, so they probably brainstormed together and combine information. and i do fill in some gaps with book information (like the elves thing or the origins of tooth and bunny). but i don't think it's enough to make them the same continuity. let's forget about the comics for a second, since people are dubious on those. let's go to the actual source. in the movie, when pitch talks about the dark ages, he's shown as being the boogeyman we know of, going around and doing his job kinda like sandy. i don't think that matches the books, where we have pitch planning only certain attacks against the protags. we don't see pitch in the books being "the boogeman" imo. and then there's the problem of catherine, nightlight and ombric. they were named guardians too, and in the movie they don't even exist. even if you said they were somewhere else, they aren't on north's floor around the crystal thingy where the guardians are drawn - it's a four points design.

...oops, tldr, sorry. didn't mean to go there, just wanted to answer to your pointing out things in the movie and got out of hand. i say each person can play whatever the hell they want, they just need to listen and talk to potential castmates without whining. i told op that fandom is 50-50 and they just need to be ready to encounter that, that's all.

they explained it pretty well
ymmv? pitch getting to corrupt the sand 'just because' he's apparently made of fear for no reason other than 'why not, he's the boogeyman and always was because i say so' leaves too many avenues open. idk, it comes off with the same effect of 'a wizard did it', there's not a lot of difference there imo. i definitely prefer the in-depth version from the books and probably always will.

i didn't want to argue the issue
this is a terrible format to have these sorts of talks, i'm not having a go at you at all, anonbro. don't worry, it's all cool!

re: the timing of the dark ages, atm the books only span a handful of years, two or three at most (just enough for katherine to mature into a young lady from a child), so there's no real clarification that pitch wasn't running around during the rest of the period doing his boogeyman deal. Perhaps not during the timeline of the books, but after? impossible to say.

i'm hoping that with jack's book he pulls a timeskip, since joyce's drawing of jack reflects the 2012 modern hoodie and i have no idea how else he'll justify it. (it would also mean we, as rpers, would finally know one way or the other what the heck to do about this situation! i can dream.)

i think the point you and i happen to be making for op's benefit is that anything can fly if you have enough understanding between castmates. anything is workable, to be fair.

>jack's book
wait, it's been confirmed that he'll get one? if jack gets involved in the plot then i think that will be proof that they are different universes. he's new to it in the movie. he was supposed to appear and sandy's and they probably took him out when they realized that.

anyway, on the other points, i think we can agree lots of things are vague and we just have different interpretations. indeed the lack of tone makes this venue dufficult to discuss, but i'm happy to see it's all cool! and canon discussion like this where people can disagree but not hate always makes my inner fangirl glad so thanks for the chat, haha.

there was a competition floating around iirc where joyce said he'd draw someone from the upcoming books and naturally the winning girl freaked out and asked for jack. fucked if i can remember which website it was on but i saved the picture immediately because omfg spoiler pic was my reaction, who wouldn't. the book series is supposed to have a volume for each surviving guardian and with the story unfinished jack's tale is the one that supposedly will crop up next.

anyway here's the pretty art: http://i58.tinypic.com/33cxi76.jpg

aaaaaah pretty art /saves

thanks for the info, anon! guess now it's time to sit and wait fir what comes next. if jack gets an independent picture book that is about him and doesn't connect to the main plot then the book->movie continuity can still be saved. if he's in book five of the main story then everything goes to hell, hahaha.

(or maybe he doesn't get anything at all AGAIN and joyce drew jack because the fangirl asked, i wouldn't be surprised, pfft)

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