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I see a lot of players having their characters use "Ser" as a casual form of address to complete strangers, and it's just... wrong. "Ser" is exlusive for knights. I can excuse it if the character is new in the game but if they've been around for more than... two weeks they should realize most men there aren't knights. "Ser" isn't "sir" or "mister".

Maybe it's nictpicky but so many players make this mistake and it drives me crazy! And it feels weird to take it to HMD when it's literaly every other player I see.

Please stop ASOIAF players I don't want to creep all over your HMDs :(

just think tho

Ser Scooby Doo
Ser Jesse Pinkman
Ser Sora
Ser Batman

what if spanish mario met sora in westeros

que, ser-a sora?

...

fuck

i laughed

the problem I run into with this is 'how the hell do I address someone that isn't a ser and or lord and or lady?'
then I remember who I'm playing and realize that this shouldn't be a problem at all

people who aren't sers/lords/ladies get addressed in canon all the time with various levels of rudeness/politeness, it's doable

i'm a player that's recently used 'ser' as a title, but i did it because of what the other anon said, i had no idea what to call them and while 'my lord' and 'ser' are actually appropriate, until there's actual introduction or whatnot, i err on the side of caution. a character that doesn't know another character using 'ser' or 'my lord' should be corrected, like most non-knights do when they're addressed as 'ser' or 'my lord' in the series. if my character isn't corrected in a thread, my character won't stop calling them that.

that's stupid, though. your character would not go out of their way to call someone 'ser' simply because it's a class issue - by falsely attributing rank, you are disrespecting the class you are referencing and potentially the person you are speaking to. unlike lord/ladyship, which sycophancy allows characters to call when referring to anyone above their own station, 'ser' is exclusive to a very well-defined (and limited) group of people. unless people are outright introduced as knights, your character wouldn't assume that to be their position.

there are very many ways to (im)politely address people in Westeros, depending on your character's breeding/speech patters. defaulting to 'ser' just makes it seem as if you're not willing to do a bit of thinking on the issue.

that depends on who you're playing. sansa, for instance, addresses several male warriors as "ser" because she tends to default to thinking all great warriors must be knights, and because she's trying to be demurely polite and stroke the dude's ego.

just to be pedantic, but "ser" is "sir", just not the modernized version of it. Ser Jorah would be the same as Sir Ian McKellan. we just sort of stole it and bastardized it and the north americas. you don't usually hear anyone in europe or england (where they have knights still) using the term 'sir' outside of a titular greeting.

kind of like how we ruined 'lady' as well. it's practically an insult in north america to hear some guy go 'look, lady', whereas, you know, still a titular greeting in some places.

just to be pedantic, but north america didn't steal and bastardize it.

there are no knights in america and so nobody addresses any americans with the title Sir (capitalized). but "sir" is a variant of "sire", a respectful term of address for a man. throughout history it's been applied to lords and gentlemen and priests and customers, not knights exclusively.

from what i know, and i could be wrong, sire was only used as a term of respect to lords and males of some standing, not just anyone that had a dick. that or to claim patriarchal parentage, even going back a few generations. it's sort of strictly for a lord or the monarchy now, but pretty sure it was used the same as 'lord' was; to people of station. i can't say i've ever heard of a priest being called sire, but like i said, i could be wrong.

i also didn't mean it as in they actually stole the word, but there's a lot of words that started to get misused over here after america became self sufficient and cut itself off from the crown. whether it was a conscious effort or not i can't say, but take words like mistress, which actually was used as an honorific aside from goodwife or goody and is now solely meant as 'the other woman' (unless you're in the s&m community). the root of the words we use now have been skewed, which happens when languages and cultures evolve. there are still a lot of words that have their original meaning in the uk that are things americans will take as an insult.

Apparently there are knights in America.

http://tkofl.org/

Q: Are you a real Knighthood?

A: Interestingly enough, yes we are. After exhaustive research and contact with the College of Arms in London, England and the Department of State in North Carolina, The Fiat Lux is recognized as an official knighthood entitling its dubbed members the honorific of “Sir”. Our heraldry, called The Achievement, is full of meaning & honor.

I guess if you wanted independent verification if the Knights of Fiat Lux are telling the truth, you could ask the College of Arms yourself:

http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/

My character uses it sarcastically.

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