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i miss fun and smart series discussions

There, there, anon.

Times change.

sigh you're right

i'm not even afraid of change like most whiny rpers! i usually welcome it

but nearly everything in fandom just feels so empty now

Where were those?

relevant communities and forums if you looked in the right places

not to say that there weren't ever obnoxious people in them, but it was so much easier to ignore them

let's start some fun and smart series discussion right now

what do you want to talk about

oh... okay!

do you like symbolism in which you can create your own options and meanings from? or do you like things that have a solid clear answer (either in the series itself or from the mouth of the creator) for what certain things mean (i.e. the creator has a fondness for daisies and says they put it in there and say it symbolizes clinging to the innocence of childhood or says they just put in in there because it's a daisy and they like daisies)

oh fun!

i personally like it when there's word of god from the creator. just because a creator had one interpretation behind their work doesn't mean there can't be other interpretations! works can hold more than one meaning. but most creators have reasons why they do what they do (even if it's just "i like daisies"), and i find it fun to read up on them even if i disagree.

plus there's a mysticism that surrounds creating books or whatever, that art just sort of ~mysteriously happens~ and nobody can explain that shit. tbh that bothers me a bit, so i like to read about people's though processes in making stuff.

i like reading the creator's thought process of why they did what they did too! even if it's "i just felt like it" or "i like it" is their reason, it still leaves open the interpretation of whatever the viewer/reader/player/etc is thinking because there is never a one singular interpretation

sometimes i like the mysticism too! but only if it's done right and not "i actually had no reason for it so i'm just going to say that it's whatever they want it to be because of that and pretend to be all mysterious with it" very few people can actually pull it off right

exactly! in rp it's a little different because people are concerned with being consistent with castmates, but it's always interesting to see different people's interpretations.

do you have any examples of people doing the mysticism right instead of po-mo "here is a toilet therefore art"? i'd like to look into it!

sometimes different interpretations of characters amongst castmates really work out if it's handled well enough, but... it really depends on the person/group of people and if they can maturely agree on the different interpretations

ingmar bergman & andrei tarkovsky are both great directors who add a lot of mysticism in their works without making it too overbearing (bergman especially). i hear robert bresson falls into the category too, but i haven't seen any of his works yet!

and i know he's pretty popular, but haruki murakami is always a great go-to for those kinds of things. there is something charming about how he doesn't explain some things and just... lets it be. he really catches the mysticism of imagination and ambiguousness of life itself while keeping it in line with simple imagery. when you finish his books you sort of feel like you understand what happened without trying to add too much to it

'magical realism' is the genre term for it, an otherwise mundane world with mystical things in it that aren't in your face and are a part of the world and how the character interacts with it

oh, thank you! i've heard a lot about bergman and tarkovsky in particular but never watched them. i guess i should change that! adds everyone to my list

do you know if any of them made nonfiction/meta/commentary on creating, by any chance? i'm a sucker for that stuff.

bergman is probably one of the biggest directors who actively and openly talked about his work and why a majority of them were based on his personal fears while heavily leaning on the mysticism in it. there's a 90 minute documentary called "ingmar bergman on life and work" that i would definitely recommend watch (but unfortunately have no links to :'( )

otherwise, pretty much any interview with him reveals a lot of the presence behind his works because they are all so vastly different ("shame" compared to "persona" compared to "hour of the wolf" etc.) but he always has a clear-cut view on his own intentions without really making it seem like that's the only interpretation or that there even was any interpretation outside of his films

ia with the above anon that hearing the thought processes of the creator when it comes to symbolism is interesting and it doesn't exactly prevent other interpretations

however, i do love when symbolism is just put there without comment sometimes, particularly when it just seems really nonsensical (e.g. repeated numbers, repeated image patterns) because i do appreciate the more postmodern ideas that it doesn't even have to have a meaning, it's just there because it is

on your second point: i almost wonder if those are more 'subconscious' things that we/creators do because it's just something that's... intuitive

there are things i will go back on that i've made that have a repeated process that i never really do consciously and it just happens, so it's there. if someone asked the meaning for it, it would probably just be "there is none" (or at least no 'conscious' meaning). it's like the opposite process of realizing you didn't put something in after you've finished the work

i definitely do stuff like that too, and it's strange to look back on a lot of my own writing and spot the common threads that i'm interested in

i think only recently did i realise that a lot of my stuff has to do with people losing agency and power over themselves, and there's usually some form of obsession or dependency for another person or an idea that's also common in the characters i choose to pick up

i was also thinking something along the lines of the OPs for sayonara zetsubou sensei (the best example is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FDrjgbKayo) which are just full of things that likely hold zero significance but also things that seem very much like foreshadowing (although the question of whether it was intentional is a big one)

we are creatures of habit so i'm sure that we create themes and messages without knowing it until way later down the road, especially things that seem to have little significance. creativity is so interesting and strange that way

maybe there were some things in the opening they looked at and realized would work in the story or they had the seeds planted there and didn't know completely what it was until it grew, they sort of scattered things here and there (some with meaning and some without) and harvested it into something they could use

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