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The problem here is less that he's an RL rapist (though that is a huge problem) and more that he continues to play out underage sex and underage rape with people who are not aware of his past, some of whom are survivors themselves.

The facts are that he admitted it, that no one has a "right" to RP, and even if they do, whose rights are you advocating here: the rights of the survivors to not have to play uninformed with someone who has admitted to rape, or the rights of someone who admitted to rape to play with others without informing them?

If they absolutely do not want to ban him, they should at least put up fair warning for what people are getting into. We're not talking about weird kinks, flakiness, or PAness here. We're talking actual RL crimes.

>he continues to play out underage sex and underage rape with people who are not aware of his past, some of whom are survivors themselves

Ask yourself for a moment why the hysteria here only goes one way.

If he has, on occasion, played out underage sex or rape with people who are survivors when he has a RL history involving those issues, are not those survivors also people who are playing out underage sex or rape when they are people who have a RL history of those issues?

It's fine for those survivors to play out whatever they want for whatever reasons they want without someone attacking them for it, as well it should be. But the very parallel structure on both sides is why the situation is more complicated.

Pause for a moment here, also, to notice the extreme degree of faith that people are putting in Ken's confession as the perfect objective truth of past events. You want to talk about actual RL crimes, but you can only do so as long as you're willing to believe the perfectly objective veracity of what is said in that LJ post. In other words, you're putting an unbelievable amount of faith in the word of someone whose very trustworthiness seems to be hugely in question.

In other words, the logic is flimsy on all sides. It's not simple and it's not cut and dry.

this just in: raping children and being raped as a child is the exact same thing!

Sorry about your reading comprehension, anon. Strawman harder.

nope, that's pretty much exactly what you're saying. you're not drawing a distinction between survivors of CSA playing out kiddie stuff, and perpetrators of CSA playing it out. so yes, you're essentially claiming that the two are one and the same.

...people do complain about players who use their rp as therapy without their partner's knowledge, anon. People complain about each other's motivations for playing things in much milder circumstances, all the time.

If you're going to try "playing noncon with an unrepentant rapist is way similar to things rpers do all the time, it's nbd", you should at least try to choose something people don't actually complain about.

Not in this wank they're not though. In this wank, the people who are abuse survivors and are playing out child sex scenarios are being treated as victims who are being revictimized by Ken. They are being treated as completely above any suspicion.

They are being treated as completely above any suspicion.

So they were asking for it, in other words?

Um, no. On what planet are those two things synonymous.

Learn 2 logic.

jsyk you are a retard and if i wasn't using a mod account rn i'd say it logged in.

i'm sure most of the people he's played child rape with don't know he actually, you know, sexually assaulted children and never apologized and just brought it up to try to manipulate people into agreeing with his triggers at amat. i'm sure if they knew that their child character was being sexually assaulted by a person who actually sexually assaulted a child, the entire thing would change by context and it'd become immediately unsettling.

that's why you are a retard and your continuous whiteknight of ken because people are getting ~hysterical~ that a child rapist continues to, unapologetically, play out child rape is, quite frankly, one of the most astonishingly dumb things ever.

nice gaslighting attempt and an impressive lack of compassion on your part for survivors in favor of abusers

you are trying to assert that we cannot judge ken by his own words and actions, which is patently absurd as this is the standard by which people are judged in ALL social circles and not just on the internet

he has shown a marked lack of consideration for others in his actions in regards to not being upfront with people about his past. NO ONE is obligated to give him the benefit of the doubt when his CURRENT behavior is also reprehensible and inconsiderate

being a confessed child rapist does not make him the member of an oppressed minority and he does not have a right to rp wherever he pleases on DWRP if the community in question does not want his presence

it is also not irrational or unreasonable for people in general but also survivors in particular to be protective of their own comfort and safety and i would also say that the comfort of survivors should trump that of abusers every time, as abusers have forfeited their right to equal consideration by the act of perpetrating abuse on others

there's also too many abuse survivors in the dwrp community for this sympathy for the devil bullshit to fly too, sorry

ken's rep is completely fucked and he only has himself to blame

Nice misuse of the concept of gaslighting.

What I'm asserting is that words =/= actions, and that goes for Ken as well as for anyone. What we have are Ken's words narrating past events. Go read that screencap of his confession again and notice how many times he says things like "I can't be sure" or "I think/I don't know." It is a narrative full of doubt.

In order to get to the simplified version of events that says "Ken is a child rapist" you have to actively erase all of the doubt from the story he tells in that confession and take only the words you choose to extract as equal to past actions.

From a rational perspective that isn't caught up in this mass panic, it's just plain not defensible to claim that you can extract the truth of past events from that post. You have a story told by someone who doubts the events in their own memory and doubts their own perspective on them, and yet you are treating this as a factual account where absolutely nothing is uncertain. And that is just very plainly not the case.

No matter how hard you try to avoid it, the foundation of all of this is the very uncertain story as Ken himself is telling it years later. You're filling in "certainty" from your suppositions and your expectations of what the story "must be." Sorry to have to tell you that not every event is the one that you expect it to be.

Sorry anon, but if I come onto my journal and publicly say 'I'm a child rapist' I should damn well expect whatever's coming to me, whether it's the truth or only has elements of it. Hell, if I want to lie about that, or decorate my memory with more abuse to make it a better story, it doesn't make me a better person that it might not be true, it makes me a douchebag for using fake rape to sjw. Either way you look at it, playing with someone like that would make most people uncomfortable, and it's indefensible.

Show me somewhere in that LJ post where Ken says "I'm a child rapist," anon. I mean where he says those words.

He says a lot of things, but "I'm a child rapist" is the popular DWRP gloss, not a direct quote. I'm saying that it's a bad, oversimplified gloss, and that people are hanging a fuck of a lot on that shoddy oversimplification.

... He describes raping a child AS a child. Well beyond the age of knowing better.. Multiple times. It's not a shoddy oversimplification to say any of that. Did you not actually read the post?

The point is not whether or not he did or did not actually molest someone. Yes, his story is littered with doubt, and we have no idea if it was just him dramatizing typical experimentation between kids or not to manipulate and purposefully freak people out.

The point is he identifies as a child rapist and that is all that matters. He believes he molested his siblings and forced them into engaging in intercourse against their will. He believed he caused them harm. And because of that he should not be RPing rape out with people without letting them know that when he came out publicly on his own accord in order to garner sympathy to his triggers.

It's not about certainty on our side, it's about his own decision to come forward, his own decision to personally identify as a rapist, and because of that, he loses all rights to complain about being treated unfairly.

That's that.

Saying things like "I can't be sure" is just a glib narrative device to manipulate nitwits like you. It's an attempt at damage control and playing it off like he's the one who was harmed when he was the one perpetrating it. How many times in court do people who have brutally beaten someone to death say they "don't recall" or "just blacked out" or something to that effect, and still get convicted? It's an incredibly flimsy excuse, and one that no one who wasn't gullible beyond belief would ever buy.

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