rpanonmod ([personal profile] rpanonmod) wrote in [community profile] rpanons2012-02-05 12:04 am

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tendtoenunciate: Kanaya's sprite from Corebound, teeth ground, crying into a fist held up to her face. (Adolescent Crying)

Re: da

[personal profile] tendtoenunciate 2012-02-07 12:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Hussie why. Oh my god Hussie why. Th-thank you for posting this, anon, I'll just be over here crying uncontrollably.

dda

(Anonymous) 2012-02-07 12:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Fuck. I read your essay and was getting all kinds of hope back, that maybe peoples' depictions of Eridan would change. And then anon strolled in and showed us how Hussie, too, seeks to destroy our hope.

Can I join you in the crying corner?
tendtoenunciate: Kanaya looking down at something in concern; did she forget her mascara? Jade lipstick. (Hopeless)

Re: dda

[personal profile] tendtoenunciate 2012-02-07 01:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes -- yes you may anon. I personally have a very sympathetic reconstruction of the events of Return to the Core as follows:

- Eridan wins his duel with Sollux with the help of his wand, and ends up KOing him. This is the first time he has ever used the weapon on another troll.
- Feferi, upon seeing Sollux unresponsive, leaps up with the intent to kill Eridan. (This is not interpretative. The spiky aura shown around her before she leaps with the culling fork in her hands is clear artistic code for murderous intent.)
- Eridan retaliates by doing the same thing he did to Sollux, but this time Feferi ends up dead. It is entirely plausible to read this as not his intended result. Doesn't KOing her and dragging her wit him to Noir make much more sense as a plan?
- Her falling on the horn pile causes a chorus of honks. It seems likely that Kanaya did not notice whatever was going on here until this time, as the next panel shows her looking over in shock.
- Kanaya is angered. At first it is only established that she and Eridan are going to fight.
- Then she looks down at the matriorb, then he follows her gaze, then he destroys it.
- It is this act that spurs Kanaya to murderous intent. She leaps at him with her chainsaw with the intent to kill him.
- As Vriska's dialog demonstrates, in troll society when someone, especially of lower blood, tries to kill you, fighting fire with fire is the only response. Eridan does this. He does not try to kill her until she tries to kill him.
- And then he absconds with the presumable motivation of finding Jack Noir to at least save himself.

Buuuuuut a lot of the more sympathetic aspects of that interpretation fall out of the bottom in light of that quote. (God damn, I would like a source. ;_;)

To be honest, though, I'd rather see people playing Eridan with that quote in mind than the quadrantsap we've come to know so well. At least he's genocidal.

da#1

(Anonymous) 2012-02-07 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, I really should have included the source in my original comment. Sorry about that! It's right here, along with a lot of other very very useful information. And a lot of...well, Hussie being Hussie, hah. You're probably better off ctrl+f'ing a name for info rather than trying to read through the whole thing, because it is long as hell:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/40585720/Combined_Formspring_Web_Aug-28-2011.htm

Re: dda

(Anonymous) 2012-02-07 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I think you're projecting, because I have no idea where you got any of that, minus Feferi intending to kill Eridan. Even ignoring Hussie's quote, Eridan NEVER showed any sort of regret for what he did. Even if it was an accident, I doubt he cared that it went down the way it did.

Re: dda

(Anonymous) 2012-02-07 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
P.S. you don't think Eridan murdering one of Kanaya's friends in cold blood and blinding another one spurred her to murderous intent?
tendtoenunciate: Kanaya, an extremely harsh >:C on her face; interestingly, jade lipstick and eye makeup. (Angered)

Re: dda

[personal profile] tendtoenunciate 2012-02-07 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, no, there's a very clear artistic code for murderous intent in that arc: The spiky aura. It's seen on Feferi right before she tries to kill Eridan. And then on Kanaya right before she tries to kill Eridan. (This line fell out of the bottom.) And then on Kanaya right before she does kill Eridan. And then on Terezi right before she backstabs Vriska. Look at Kanaya's expressions: Before she just shows confusion and anger. It is only the hopesplosion that gets her screaming with rage and leaping at him. I mean, maybe the previous incidents helped, but she's doing nothing but standing there glaring at him until the hopesplosion.

Also, Eridan never showed any feeling about what he did, good or bad. His Return to the Core conversations are the last we've heard from him. His omnipresent scowl is ambiguous; Vriska was unambiguously grinning when she killed Tavros and she's later shown to have regretted it, so I don't think that thinking Eridan might is implausible.
glowsferatu: smile (You Really Actually Said That Didnt You)

Re: dda

[personal profile] glowsferatu 2012-02-07 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
let's also consider that prior to the hopesplosion, she and eridan were locked in a stand-off

she clearly intended to take him down then, and when kanaya takes someone down for something like that it isn't accomplished in any kind of neat or non-violent fashion. she had armed herself already, if you recall.

the destruction of the matriorb simply pushed her further over the edge so she wasn't even thinking about her method of attack, just flying in a murderous rage unsuccessfully