Oh I agree. I had that same problem with NYO, but as I said I don't think it's nearly as bad as some of other flashbacks about Jason out there. It's by no means the best rewrite of Jason's coming into Robinhood. I do have problems with it, but I also do not take everything every character says at face value. I disagree on NYO because what Dick feels/thinks I do not take as being what an omniscient narrator would think or what the audience should think. What characters believe is one thing, but the fact Jason cared so much about Alfred and proving himself to Batman in the first place kind of undermines some of Dick's opinions. Dick also doesn't know what Jason has gone through the last few months and is a bit bitter and jealous while he's thinking those things.
I think you may be mis-remembering something in NYO because never does Jason revel in hurting anyone or endanger any innocents. In fact, he is the one who actually yells at Dick for being reckless on the train, not being serious enough about going to rescue Alfred and tells him it isn't a game anymore. So while I agree his relationship with Bruce really took a hit from NYO (and I really dislike the retconning of the Ma Gunn arc), Jason himself did not act in the way you're describing him at all. If your dislike of NYO has to do with Jason being violent, reckless, and glorifying him brutally hurting people...he doesn't do that. I just reread it and that does not happen. He's no more brutal or vicious than your average Robin kicking bad guy ass and there were NO innocents endangered at all, unless you count Alfred who was in danger to begin with. The worst he did was steal a car from a bunch of criminals so he could drive Alfred home. And we knew beforehand about Jason and cars. Which is why I believe that what Dick thinks is very much not what we should be taking from that because Dick is not a reliable narrator and that Dick's original reactions to Jason were biased based on his feelings of being replaced, not on some objective view of Jason's potential as a Robin.
I read the scene where Dick actually thinks "Maybe he got him before the Joker could hire him" and raised an eyebrow because it was kind of over the top in comparison to Jason's behavior (which was full of bravado and talking smack, but nowhere near evil or reckless enough to warrant saying that). So for me, it was actually more showing of Dick being jealous of Jason and thinking something offhandedly cruel and baseless than because Jason really was violent and messed up enough that he could have worked for the Joker.
My main issues with the first set of Batman and Robin issues is that it blatantly rewrites even more of Jason's relationship with Bruce in a dark and messed up way and adds elements that no one else had in all this time since Crisis. NYO was bad in making Batman looking like a creepy child-kidnapper, but the B&R issues turn around and make him a child-kidnapper who forces the kid to look like the other kid he ditched/replaced on purpose. It left a really bad taste in my mouth. So someone else may not have as much of a problem with it as I did, but yes, I can agree it was not nearly as bad as BFTC. At the same time, at least "Jason having a breakdown and separation from reality" can make some kind of twisted sense considering the topic of BFTC, whereas I still cannot figure out half of the reasons for the changes to Jason in those issues of B&R. (I won't even get into the art because it makes me cringe).
And now I realize this is a whole lot of tl;dr and I really apologize. I tend to ramble on topics like this.
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I think you may be mis-remembering something in NYO because never does Jason revel in hurting anyone or endanger any innocents. In fact, he is the one who actually yells at Dick for being reckless on the train, not being serious enough about going to rescue Alfred and tells him it isn't a game anymore. So while I agree his relationship with Bruce really took a hit from NYO (and I really dislike the retconning of the Ma Gunn arc), Jason himself did not act in the way you're describing him at all. If your dislike of NYO has to do with Jason being violent, reckless, and glorifying him brutally hurting people...he doesn't do that. I just reread it and that does not happen. He's no more brutal or vicious than your average Robin kicking bad guy ass and there were NO innocents endangered at all, unless you count Alfred who was in danger to begin with. The worst he did was steal a car from a bunch of criminals so he could drive Alfred home. And we knew beforehand about Jason and cars. Which is why I believe that what Dick thinks is very much not what we should be taking from that because Dick is not a reliable narrator and that Dick's original reactions to Jason were biased based on his feelings of being replaced, not on some objective view of Jason's potential as a Robin.
I read the scene where Dick actually thinks "Maybe he got him before the Joker could hire him" and raised an eyebrow because it was kind of over the top in comparison to Jason's behavior (which was full of bravado and talking smack, but nowhere near evil or reckless enough to warrant saying that). So for me, it was actually more showing of Dick being jealous of Jason and thinking something offhandedly cruel and baseless than because Jason really was violent and messed up enough that he could have worked for the Joker.
My main issues with the first set of Batman and Robin issues is that it blatantly rewrites even more of Jason's relationship with Bruce in a dark and messed up way and adds elements that no one else had in all this time since Crisis. NYO was bad in making Batman looking like a creepy child-kidnapper, but the B&R issues turn around and make him a child-kidnapper who forces the kid to look like the other kid he ditched/replaced on purpose. It left a really bad taste in my mouth. So someone else may not have as much of a problem with it as I did, but yes, I can agree it was not nearly as bad as BFTC. At the same time, at least "Jason having a breakdown and separation from reality" can make some kind of twisted sense considering the topic of BFTC, whereas I still cannot figure out half of the reasons for the changes to Jason in those issues of B&R. (I won't even get into the art because it makes me cringe).
And now I realize this is a whole lot of tl;dr and I really apologize. I tend to ramble on topics like this.